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(no subject) [Feb. 26th, 2010|11:49 am]
cunts talking about kant

 Hey guys. It's been almost a year since the last post in this community. Let's not let it die!

I'm taking a class on the Philosophy of Science this semester. It's one of the most interesting classes I have taken in quite a long time. A question was posited on the first day of class and it's still bugging me. Who knows if it can ever truly be answered, but I was curious as to what your thoughts were on the matter.

Everyone knows that Physics is a science. The same goes for Biology, Chemistry, etc. But why don't we normally consider, say, History or Economics sciences? What is/are the defining characteristic(s) of science?
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(no subject) [May. 2nd, 2009|06:51 pm]
cunts talking about kant

Earlier in the week I was hanging out with my friends Jake, Alissa, and Amanda and somehow the topic of simulated reality came up, to which I referenced and gave an account of Robert Nozick's famous Experience Machine thought experiment.

Basically, the argument goes like this: Hedonists argue that pleasure is the highest good and the only thing that possess intrinsic value. Well imagine that, argues Nozick, that we could plug ourselves into a machine that would produce, indefinably until our deaths, a simulated reality of the sort of life that we want the most.

If youre a hedonist then this sort of life is a life of boundless pleasure and sensory happiness. If youre a hedonist you might think that things like honor and and virtue are artifices that either limit our ability to achieve our true ultimate end or are simply confusions about what our true ultimate ends are. On this view, one should have absolutely no qualms about stepping in and programing an artificial life full of boundless sensory gratification. But, Nozick argues that most people would reject this sort of life, because the majority of people think that there is more value to actually doing something, rather that having the simulation of doing something.

I disagree with Nozick about a lot of things, but this is one of those things I find myself in agreement with. Jake, however, was not entirely convinced, and argued that the end result of the Experience Machine and the end result of a life of happiness are the same. Even if we think that a life of struggle and triumph is nobler than a life of pleasure, we can simply program the machine to be suited for a life of struggle and achievement. And we would be none the wiser. And this is entirely true.

The trouble though, with this sort of conclusion, is that it does not map reality and the way we actually think and feel about our actions. The belief that it is better to actually do something rather than have it simulated is more than a hollow phrase, and I feel that people who think otherwise are either not fully realizing the ramifications of Nozick's machine, or are in the strictest sense true sociopaths.

Imagine though, that you truly did have an opportunity to use the Experience Machine, to be hooked up and have a simulated life ready designed to achieve your innermost desires. Now, when you imagine this situation, dont imagine it like a thought experiment where you are detached and this is playing out in some hypothetical situation. No, instead pretend that in the next five minutes RIGHT NOW you will have to choose whether or not to enter the machine. Would you? I wouldnt.

I wouldnt because I truly do find value in actually doing something and having actual friends and actual loved ones. Sure, I can program my beliefs about the good life, along with my very same family members and my very same friends into the machine, and I wouldnt know then. But I know right now. The idea that I will never actually talk to my mom, or my dad, or my brothers, my friends, or anyone, but will instead only dream of them in a way that I wish, fills me with disgust.

What say you? Would you enter into Nozick's Experience Machine?

Crossposted to my own journal.
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favorite quotes post [Apr. 2nd, 2009|07:26 am]
cunts talking about kant

"The divinest things--religion, love, truth, beauty, justice--seem to lose their meaning and value when we sink into lassitude and indifference. In such mental state we, together with what is not ourselves, verge in consciousness toward the confines where all that is or has been or can be appears shadowy and unsubstantial. It is a state altogether different from that of the callous and dull, who have no perception of spiritual truth, no definite notions of anything. It is in fact not a state, but a passing obscuration, a moral syncope, a temporary inability to think or love or hope or take delight in aught. It is a signal that we should quit meditation and books, and go out into the open air, into the presence of nature, into the company of flocks and children, where we may drink new health and vigor from the clear and full-flowing fountains of life, afar from the arid wastes of theory and speculation; where we may learn again that it is not by intellectual questionings, but by believing, hoping, loving, and doing that man finds joy and peace."

- John Lancaster Spalding
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metaphysical explanation - 0; scientific explanation - 1 [Mar. 9th, 2009|09:39 pm]
cunts talking about kant



have you had any religious/metaphysical experiences? how has that affected your personal philosophy?
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(no subject) [Feb. 18th, 2009|01:54 pm]
cunts talking about kant

so i see there are quite a few new members. anybody have anything to talk about?
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music [Jan. 28th, 2009|07:39 pm]
cunts talking about kant

hey guys, it's been a while since anyone has posted.
i would like to discuss the philosophy of music.

over winter break i was able to become closer friends with my best friend's roommate ken. ken is a brilliant guitarist who has been intensely studying music theory for the last 5 years. we got into a lot of philosophical discussions about the place of music in the cosmos, and why it has such a profound place in the human soul/condition. so i want to hear your thoughts on the philosophical implications of why music is so important to us as a species, how music influences you, and why it is important to you.

here are a couple things to get this conversation started:Collapse )
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(no subject) [Jan. 5th, 2009|03:23 am]
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let's talk about cosmology for a bit. what do you believe the world is composed of? what, beyond physics, can we say about the universe? does physics have the answers, and if so, why is quantum physics turning everything on its head?

I personally believe the world is composed essentially from vibration. energy is vibration and matter is energy vibrating at extremely low frequencies to the point of appearing static.

this is an interesting video on the topic:

i think that the whole "matter-form" cosmological conjecture has been accepted dogmatically since aristotle and secured by christianity, and i suppose that further innovation and reinforcement of scientific theories will show that the matter-form paradigm does not correspond to reality well.
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(no subject) [Dec. 22nd, 2008|09:37 pm]
cunts talking about kant
A man's work is nothing but this slow trek to rediscover, through the detours of art, those two or three great and simple images in whose presence his heart first opened.
-Albert Camus

Post your favorite philosophy-related quotes
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(no subject) [Dec. 22nd, 2008|08:32 pm]
cunts talking about kant

I was watching this pretty annoyingly anti-Christian movie yesterday. I started thinking, if God has a plan for everyone, what does that say about atheists? Are we meant to be atheists? And if so, are we destined to go to hell?

I know we've had a discussion on predetermination already, so ask questions you would like answered.
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If I Take One More Drank [Dec. 18th, 2008|08:57 pm]
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lol thanks for showing me this Andy
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