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[Dec. 22nd, 2008|08:32 pm]
cunts talking about kant

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[coldstilllife]
I was watching this pretty annoyingly anti-Christian movie yesterday. I started thinking, if God has a plan for everyone, what does that say about atheists? Are we meant to be atheists? And if so, are we destined to go to hell?

I know we've had a discussion on predetermination already, so ask questions you would like answered.
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[User Picture]From: just_under
2008-12-23 02:24 am (UTC)
well if you're entertaining the concept of God then you're not really an atheist
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From: thewindishigh
2008-12-23 02:25 am (UTC)
this thanks. i was sitting for about ten minutes trying to decide how to put it and this works great
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[User Picture]From: coldstilllife
2008-12-23 02:25 am (UTC)
no, it's just a counter argument to what I hear from Christians often
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[User Picture]From: just_under
2008-12-23 02:33 am (UTC)
no you're just mad you got OWNED by the girl who spends her time looking for funny gifs
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[User Picture]From: coldstilllife
2008-12-23 02:34 am (UTC)
GOD DAMMIT
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[User Picture]From: astarcambiata
2008-12-23 02:35 am (UTC)
AHAHAHA
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From: thewindishigh
2008-12-23 02:26 am (UTC)
the plan only exists if you believe in God, and being an atheist kind of rules that out.

Though looking at it from a Christian point of view, I really don't know. I'm thinking maybe God plans for you to recognize that he exists and is in you. Or something like that
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[User Picture]From: coldstilllife
2008-12-23 02:31 am (UTC)
But then wouldn't all atheists become believers before they die by that logic? Or does God plan to have some people sent to hell from the beginning?
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From: thewindishigh
2008-12-23 02:36 am (UTC)
idk ask my dad he's a big christian crazy
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[User Picture]From: just_under
2008-12-23 02:36 am (UTC)
you could go with a number of arguments
1) atheists were put on earth to test believers with their logic
2) atheists are being tested themselves and due to free will, ie human error, and failed said tests or
3) no one is really an atheist. instead, atheism is an extreme form of doubt, which, according to god, is not ideal but understandable and, in some cases, necessary
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[User Picture]From: coldstilllife
2008-12-23 02:37 am (UTC)
all of these seem very valid. I never thought about it that way.
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[User Picture]From: just_under
2008-12-23 02:37 am (UTC)

DOST THOU COMPREHEND

dos thou comprehend
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From: thewindishigh
2008-12-23 02:40 am (UTC)

Re: DOST THOU COMPREHEND

lol it loaded slow and the end was especially funny as the images slowly turned into the next
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[User Picture]From: upanishadic
2008-12-23 06:55 am (UTC)
i think that the discussion of atheists vs. theists does have some sort of inherent, meaningful expression of reality. i think that every single person is working on their own personal path of spiritual evolution, and that more realized beings see the world differently than not-as-realized beings. what i mean by this is, there are people who look at the world and see nothing magical; seeing that it's just a big billiards game of subatomic particles. other people look at the world and see such transcendental beauty and tranquility that they cannot HELP but see an underlying unity to it all. some people are way behind, where they believe in the underlying unity but not by intuition but rather by unchallenged handed-down knowledge.

now, i am not going to explicate WHICH view is more realized than the other, but i think that certain ideas are easily seen to be more realized than others. i think both theism (in the conventional sense) and atheism are hindered/obscured perceptions. i don't even think the ultimate realized state of awareness is something we can define or give name to.
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[User Picture]From: coldstilllife
2008-12-23 07:00 am (UTC)
I honestly think no one is right. How could anyone possibly know?
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[User Picture]From: upanishadic
2008-12-23 07:01 am (UTC)
not through use of philosophy, that's for sure
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